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DAY 3 - October 10th Interrogation of Michelle Teran why is it necessary to have a portal? why is a physical manifestation of presence important? online environments / tunneling concept Day 3 http://www.interaccess.org/telekinetics
http://www.alamut.com/past/0104.html M: By sending something through a network, for instance, a gesture of hitting a spoon where there is a touch sensor - what gets sent out is a spoon hitting a glass - not a direct representation of that person. The gesture is specific, it is codifed enough that you know what it means, its embedded in a social code e.g. a spoon hitting a glass signifies attention, 'i have something to say' or 'something's about to happen'. Basically telephones, and telecommunications,
teleportaton are inevitably tied into spiritual world. The classic 'mysterious
knocking' or 'voices from the air' all meshes into these situations and
amplifying it makes you more aware that you are existing on many planes.
As a result space is mythologized, or inanimate objects are animated.
N: Sometimes it is difficult to consolidate, because there is a lot of slippage... M: Then everything can be seen as a portal, which is perhaps too ambient to consider it in a performative/artistic context. One definition of networking that has a strong history is an active network joined together for a specific reason, e.g. this is the input, this is the output, action/reaction, or a simple mirroring device like a window, a 'hole in space'. It is a classic in sci-fi movies - the rectangular screen that appears in the middle of the desert. M: For instance the strong social situation of a dinner, the translocal connection joins in with a cultural context and we start to play with the surface of the interface. The social encounter is enhanced by the addition of strange objects and with connection to somewhere else. N: So now you need to know how
to click it onto a deeper level of connection? N: Mythologized spaces are sometimes unvalidated monuments. M: Objects are portals like that
spikey goat food we encountered on the beach this morning. Yellow flowers
growing out of spikes. Or a strange creature - seaweed in sand. Jeff
Noons work 'Vurt' had an interface of feathers that took you to a
dream world. While you're in this dream world something comes back with
you. This thing that is with them was in the dream world, but it is now
in a physical form, it exists somewhere inbetween. N: In Colombian shamanic rituals they have rattles that have feathers on them, and these take you into a world of visions and dreams. This particular experience is also specific to the particular bird these feathers are from. M: But it is also about places
in the everyday e.g. Jeff and I were at a carnival in brussels and noticed
that whenever somebody won a stuffed bear they carried it on their shoulders.
It was a strange situation because suddenly I saw these bears transformed
into interstitial beings. Something was sent through a portal and now
someone was wearing it on their shoulders. This is a situation that is
extremely bizarre, but is socially acceptable because of that particular
context. This brings up the issue of 'safety zones', where absurd configurations
and notions are ok in certain frameworks. Here it is okay to have a children's
train ride covered by artificial ferns and have just one that waves, or
a talking tree. M: On one hand structured meetings in connected performances, social functions, dance, playing cards, ping pong etc. eludes towards gaming and play. N: A
really coherent book on the different types of play is 'homo ludens: a
study of the play element in culture' by Johan
Huizinga. N: Yes I remember someone like that at a bar I used to work at, whom we called 'astrology pete'. M: At one cafe, the fern in the corner waves one of its fronds, but then how does that have anything to do with a connection to another space - is that too abstract? Is it necessary to know what it's trying to say and if there is somebody on the other end? N: An entity or force is trying to send a signal, or a message that may be an omen or a sign. M: If you were sitting in a cafe,
and you got a signal would it be enough for you to receive that signal,
or have the signal function in the general space. Would you want a two
way channel? If someone knocked would you want to knock back? A summary of these different types of networked portals and objects. 1) the hole in space, a connected
social function N: That's a pretty scary thing to take the connection outside of oneself, it encourages one to lose their own intuitive sense of connection. I don't like that notion. M: Or you can have for instance
'Queens day' in Amsterdam, when the whole city becomes a carnival and
bric/brac market, or an amusement park structure where the you can act
in ultra-animated ways because you are inside a specific frame. M: During the last Queen's Day,
as I was walking home, I stumbled upon a group of friends who had assembled
a temporary environment in the park out of bric-a-brac that had been left
over. First they started with an orange tarp and then they gathered things
around them, a computer, a mouse, a card table and a vase a pepper grinder,
a tennis racket a children's game and a book. Looking at this, and spending time in the space, I was inspired to think that you can decorate and inhabit connected environments of your design. Constructing interfaces for the purpose of meeting interfaces, assembling environments according to your need, using bric-a-brac. Do
communication spaces have to be literal, and if not, how abstract can
they be before they cease to function as one? M: That's a bit spacey for me. What we have is 2 basic premises: N: Not to mention Sher's Nervus Avidus constellation that represents caffeinated capitalist wireless access points in Manhattan - Starbucks M: These fragments then come together as a whole, a series or network; small networks makes a larger action. A physical manifestation is important because then people know that there are consequences to these actions, something has been set in motion. N: It is like an indirect symbolic
and poetic action, and with that statement I always think of a text by
Alain Robbe-Grillet, who throws light upon this vexed territory between
a lot of artists and activist movements. "Rather
than being of a political nature, commitment, for the artist means to
be fully aware of the current problems of his own language, convinced
of their extreme importance, and desirous of solving them from within.
There in lies his sole possibility for remaining an artist, and also,
no doubt, by means of some obscure and distant consequence, of maybe one
day being of some use - maybe even to the revolution." M: I think that there are different levels of enjoyment in space time configurations, you open up the portal and go in and have fun. I have an aversion to having a bunch of people jumping in front of a camera and streaming to another space. Or perhaps aversion is too strong a statement. I'm looking for something a little more poetic. A primal fundamental of communicating, moving on from a video wall of someone staring and you're looking back. 'well i just want to dance with my virtual body', 'well i just want to sing a song together'. This is a movement on from the primitive 'I see you, you see me'. There is a big difference between using the internet as a telephone or as an distributed network, and each has its implications. I like to connect and have direct
feedback it's nice, there are moments when you get that feedback. Practically
speaking, event based connections are easier to impliment and they also
convince people it's an interesting thing to do. M: I'm talking about the conflict about packaging. People are excited when it's simple and clear. It's tangible, it's nice. You can pour wine for each other over the net. N: but if people see that's all its for it just bourgiosie connectivity . M: Then it becomes about product,
the technological interface, it's a viable product. But it's more excited
to think about the experience, and how the object becomes part of this
experience. It's the difference between design and perhaps art, although
these distinctions are not also so easy. But basically, that the object
is only part of the whole. I would like to start with nothing
and build up the space together only through process of being connected
can we understand what we need to build- experiencing and building at
the same time. N: You have to be working with people who are willing to go into the unknown. M: Collaborative structures, connected collaboration becomes part of the creating. I get a lot of criticism for not having 'access for all' simply because I believe in these types of collaborations require a working process that not everybody can participate in. I get questioned are you just building for yourselves or who is it for? N: It seems you are crystallizing things first in closed quarters but then then it can pass on as a model for whomever wants to participate. M: Exactly. We pass it on, and provide recipes for connected spaces. That's also another form of myth. How to implement it and why it's important. Something important and beyond. |
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